From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Dec 07 13:28:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Dec 2002 21:28:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 74913 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 21:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2002 21:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 21:28:38 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021207212838.QASJ2204.lakemtao03.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:28:38 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021207160941.03933aa0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:21:55 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Loglan In-Reply-To: References: <0541A4B9-088A-11D7-A3CE-00039362FD2A@macsrule.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 03:01 PM 12/7/02 -0500, Craig wrote: > > I have not been driven away. The point is, that given Nick's agenda > >and the expressed desires of the majority, I do not think I have > >anything worthwhile > >to contribute to the meeting. > >I had misinterpreted your mail. This clarification comes as a relief; even >one instance of the jboste driving away anyone with any interest would be >troubling to me. Actual, jboste has driven many people away, unfortunately. 1. Arguments getting too heated (I opine that this drove pc away, though it may also have been that he needed a break) 2. Volume has driven many many people away 3. Many people, including Nowicki the Ygyde promoter in a recent alt.language.artificial post, have indicated that we give the impression that Lojbanists can't agree about anything. To those who want to see a language used rather than argued about, and those who simply aren't interested in deep logicolinguistic discussion, this is a turnoff, especially when the arguments are esoteric and therefore sound like arguing how many angels dance on the head of a pin. Of course each of these features has attracted some people who might have thought Lojban less interesting without them. And, for example, once complimented us before actually getting involved himself, as having one of the few lists where one could learn something new about linguistics and language. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org