From phma@webjockey.net Sat Dec 07 16:16:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 00:16:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 30333 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 00:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 00:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 00:16:55 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 2456A3C497; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:16:50 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "And Rosta" , Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: cmegadri valfendi preti Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:16:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120719164802.19670@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Saturday 07 December 2002 18:40, And Rosta wrote: > I approve. And do the same for English, native speakers and foreign > learners, for comparison. Another good test would be to take a > phonological string that makes good sense on an illegal segmentation, > and is grammatical nonsense on the legal segmentation; then see > which reading people tend to make. If anybody ever does the experiments > for real, I'll be happy to put my money where my mouth is. Or take some text and change a few sounds so that it segments differently, e.g. varKIClafLO'i -> varKIClafLOxi, or spoonerize the cmavo (and other words) so that it chokes the parser, e.g. le tricu cu se calku -> le tricu su ce salku. A human familiar with varkiclaflo'i is not going to mishear it as "varkicla floxi" even if it is so pronounced, because it's meaningless. Of course there are some words that are quite prone to mishearing, such as garna/grana (I always have to look those up) and ratcu/ractu (maybe I should take lessons from Rabbit Oftsmile). phma