From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Dec 07 17:38:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 01:38:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 54751 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 01:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 01:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 01:38:27 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021208013825.DMIF2203.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:38:25 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021207202338.00a9abd0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 20:31:27 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [h] (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 12:06 AM 12/8/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote: >Craig to Jordan: > > >Why is [h] not an optimal pronunciation for '? (Yes I know the > > >title of the thread is 'aesthetics', but you seem to be implying > > >there's some kind of reason) > > > > Because there is a greater phonic contrast between [T] and [f] or [s] than > > between [h] and [x] > >Furthermore, [ihi] is so difficult to articulate that I think we can >safely assume that nobody actually does say [ihi]. Both Nora and I say it, and we can clearly distinguish between that and ixi when said by the other. For me ixi sounds more like "ici" than "ihi". "ifi" and "iTi seem to closer to me than any of the others. So far as I know, only "iTi" has been tried as an alternate realization of "i'i" instead of "ihi". Thomeone in the firth clath tried using T and it really did thound like he lithped. When he tried for clear separation from "s", it sounded instead like f. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org