From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Dec 07 18:32:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 02:32:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 17470 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 02:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 02:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 02:32:09 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KrEn-0003R2-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:32:09 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KrEj-0003Qe-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:32:05 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KrEf-0003QV-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:32:01 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB82cHG9021765 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:38:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB82cGoT021764 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:38:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:38:16 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: typographical rudeness (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics Message-ID: <20021208023816.GA21580@allusion.net> References: <20021207071425.GA713@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 3274 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 02:19:06AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > Jordan: [...] > > Of rudeness though, nothing rivals using all capital letters (which > > I've seen And do)=20 >=20 > Do you mean because all caps is shouting, or because of the idea > that there is some fundamental incongruity between Lojban and > all caps? If the former, then yes, but not all all caps is shouting > -- e.g. headings are often all caps. And smallcaps aren't shouty. > If the latter, then the idea is silly, and the putative rudeness > reduces to the insufferable idea that mere nonconformity is rude. a) CAPS FREAKING SUCK. (get it? (=3D=3D the shouting thing)) b) lojban looks even worse in all caps than english. c) caps in lojban have a specific purpose: indicating stress. If you capitalize everything you break this usage.[1] d) sucks for AVI. > BTW, I don't remember having used allcaps. Well, once, when we > were discussing El Pueblo Unido, but that's a chant -- you're > *supposed* to shout it loudly. I was thinking of "MELBI COI". [1] The ugliness of specifing stress using caps could probably be prevented by using acute marks. For example something like la DJUliet. becomes la dj=FAliet. In the case of multiple vowel-letters in the slaka it goes on the first. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE98rCYDrrilS51AZ8RAl8jAKCwd6wtaj1mu0tsjK1fQUPObD6OkgCeI6YY EJeWwPdBYgs79oQsjEca8A8= =WrnB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8--