From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Dec 07 18:50:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 02:50:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 9543 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 02:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 02:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 02:50:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KrWt-0003kw-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:50:51 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KrWe-0003kP-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:50:36 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout2.netvision.net.il ([194.90.9.21]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KrWA-0003j6-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:50:06 -0800 Received: from default ([62.0.146.31]) by mxout2.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H6S00IC156KA9@mxout2.netvision.net.il> for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 04:49:34 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 04:51:27 +0200 Subject: [lojban] Re: [h] (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics To: "lojban-list@lojban.org" Message-id: <0H6S00IC256LA9@mxout2.netvision.net.il> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Foxmail 4.1 [eg] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 3279 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: araizen@cs.huji.ac.il Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Adam Raizen From: Adam Raizen Reply-To: araizen@cs.huji.ac.il X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out de'i li 2002-12-07 ti'u li 20:41:00 la'o zoi. Jordan DeLong .zoi cusku di'e >This reminds me of something I was wondering about. Is the german >sound of ch in "ich" an allowed pronunciation of "'"? It depends on what you mean by "allowed". If you mean allowed as a permitted variant, as CLL describes on p. 31 (3.3), then I think that the answer is yes: it's a voiceless fricative not already used in Lojban. Still, as CLL says one sentence later, "the convenience of the listener should be regarded as paramount in deciding to use a substitute for [h]." (i.e., don't use it. :-) mu'o mi'e .adam.