From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Dec 07 19:48:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 03:48:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 17239 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 03:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 03:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 03:48:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KsQC-0004ci-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:48:00 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KsQ6-0004cM-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:47:54 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KsQ0-0004cD-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:47:48 -0800 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.57] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A0EC829010A; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:47:56 -0500 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: [h] (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:47:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <0H6S00IC256LA9@mxout2.netvision.net.il> Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.57] X-Note: Total weight is 0. Whitelisted X-archive-position: 3280 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: raganok@intrex.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Reply-To: raganok@intrex.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out >>This reminds me of something I was wondering about. Is the german >>sound of ch in "ich" an allowed pronunciation of "'"? >It depends on what you mean by "allowed". If you mean allowed as a >permitted variant, as CLL describes on p. 31 (3.3), then I think that >the answer is yes: it's a voiceless fricative not already used in >Lojban. Still, as CLL says one sentence later, "the convenience of the >listener should be regarded as paramount in deciding to use a >substitute for [h]." (i.e., don't use it. :-) If it meant "don't use it" it wouldn't have said you could. If your listener finds [T] hard, don't use [T]. But if your listener finds [h] hard, don't use [h]. Or if your listener is like most listeners and can understand either, use whichever. But don't use an orthography that assumes one. --la kreig.daNiyl. '.i do cu vaNci le ba paNje xusra .i deNci guNma le se gidva' pygypy gubmau ckiku Nacycme: 0x22C68020