From xod@thestonecutters.net Sun Dec 08 08:05:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 16:05:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 52871 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 16:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 16:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 16:05:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18L3w2-0001vE-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 08:05:38 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18L3vy-0001ur-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 08:05:34 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 08 Dec 2002 08:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18L3vt-0001ug-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 08:05:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB8G50K95734 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:05:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:05:00 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Aesthetics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021208103136.V95494-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, And Rosta wrote: > xod: > > On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Craig wrote: > > > > > Because there is a greater phonic contrast between [T] and [f] or [s] than > > > between [h] and [x], to me > > > > This is like a Japanese person saying insisting that r and l sound alike > > They do sound similar! > > > Meanwhile, Kemitic has ', [x], and two distinct sounds BETWEEN them! > > What is Kemitic, and where can I find info on its phonology? Ancient Egyptian. http://webperso.iut.univ-paris8.fr/~rosmord/Intro/node5.html#SECTION00032000000000000000 Now I had learned that {h} was h, {H} was an emphatic h, {x} was a raspy [x], and {X} was a non-raspy [x]. I consider Lojban [x] to be raspy, to broaden the distinction to [']. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.