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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [h] (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics
To: opoudjis@optushome.com.au (Nick Nicholas)
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Nick Nicholas scripsit:

> What's this? John pronounces it as [iCi]? Well, there are Germans in 
> his kin. But John, you say you turn off voicing; why do you need to? I 
> know the prescription says 'unvoiced fricative', but why need it be 
> unvoiced?

I don't know what to tell you. For me, -voice is the most salient part
of /'/, so much so that I have to make a conscious effort to do otherwise.

> And would you claim h<?> is an illegitimate rendering of ' ? 
> After all, you claim h in "Aha" as the definition of ' --- and that h 
> is usually voiced, I'd have thought.

I can say it either way, but /AhA is more emphatic than /Ah\A/ or whatever
the hell the X-SAMPA is.

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