From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Dec 08 15:22:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 23:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 62303 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 23:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 23:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 23:22:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18LAkK-0007ep-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:22:00 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LAkH-0007eW-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:21:57 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18LAkC-0007eN-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:21:52 -0800 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:21:52 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [h] (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics Message-ID: <20021208232152.GC26904@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <1039348150.16679.3.camel@norpan.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 3319 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 10:07:44PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > Martin: > > s?n 2002-12-08 klockan 01.06 skrev And Rosta: > > > Furthermore, [ihi] is so difficult to articulate that I think we > > > can safely assume that nobody actually does say [ihi] > > > > I'm _sure_ they say that somewhere in the "Ketchup song" :) > > > > Seriously, why is this harder to pronounce than any other V'V sound? > > Because for an [h] the narrowest constriction in the vocal tract is at > the glottis, while for an [i] the narrowest constriction is at the > hard palate. So to transition between [h] and [i] requires a large > movement of the tongue. Hence [aha] is easy to articulate, because > very little movement of the tongue is required, while [ihi] (and > [uhu]) is difficult, because very large movements of the tongue are > required. I move my tounge much less for for [ihi] then [aha]. Maybe I'm letting a bit of German ch slip in there, though. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u jmaji le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi