From xod@thestonecutters.net Sun Dec 08 15:23:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 23:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 539 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 23:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 23:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 23:23:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18LAln-0007h6-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:23:31 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LAlk-0007ge-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:23:28 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LAle-0007fT-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:23:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB8NMs697195 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:22:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:22:54 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [h] (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics In-Reply-To: <20021208232029.GB26904@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <20021208182135.M95494-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3321 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 09:22:02AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > > Robin Turner scripsit: > > > > > Surely anyone who can say "uhuh" can say "ihi". > > > > Well, actually, no. [h] has back articulation, and so does [u], but > > stretching from [i] to [h] and back again is quite hard. > > I am so far from having even the slightest problem saying ihi that I'm > wondering if I'm missing something. > > My toungue doesn't move position in my mouth *at* *all* to say ihi; > there's merely a slight change in flexure in the middle. Indeed. I can go "ihihi" without moving anything at all! For the "i" I voice, and for the "h" I devoice and increase the aspiration. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.