From phma@webjockey.net Sun Dec 08 16:40:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 9 Dec 2002 00:40:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 80205 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2002 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18LByJ-0000dO-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 16:40:31 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LByE-0000d5-00; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 16:40:26 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 08 Dec 2002 16:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=neofelis.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LBy9-0000cE-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 16:40:21 -0800 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 344B43C477; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:39:50 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: cmegadri valfendi preti Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:39:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208183054.02de4180@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208183054.02de4180@pop.east.cox.net> X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212081939470C.19670@neofelis> X-archive-position: 3329 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Sunday 08 December 2002 18:34, Nora LeChevalier wrote: li'o > However, you have not considered how it interacts with the rest of the > speech stream. For example, if mlongena + nelci becomes mlongenynei (with > stress, mlongEnynei), then 2 of them is "re mlongenynei", which in the > speech stream is {remlongEnynei}, which is a lujvo > (rem+lon+gen+y+nei). Adding new capabilities for fu'ivla is not as simple > as it looks. Okay, so you got me on {mlongena}. Let's try a few others: bauksita: rebauksitytu'a. Not a lujvo made from gismu, since {auk} isn't a rafsi. {rebauksita} isn't a word, since it falls apart. Looks OK. baknrto: rebaknrtyjirna. {akn} isn't a rafsi, {rebaknrto} isn't a word. OK. bakrto: rebakrtyjirna. Looks fine to me. ma'agni: pama'agnyni'e. No consonant cluster in the first five letters, so it couldn't possibly be a lujvo. OK. spatrteace: respatrteacycripu. This starts to break as res-pat- but then {rte} isn't a possible rafsi. It can't be {respa trteacycripu} either because a word can't begin with {trt} unless it's a name. Similarly for other type-3's. So there's still a wide variety of rafsi fu'ivla, including all type-3's that end in one vowel, as well as {bauksita} and {ma'agni}. phma