From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Dec 09 17:22:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Dec 2002 01:22:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 67284 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 01:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2002 01:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 01:22:27 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18LZ6R-0004gf-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:22:27 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LZ6N-0004gM-00; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:22:23 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LZ6H-0004gD-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:22:17 -0800 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.38] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A1DF1230174; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:22:39 -0500 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: html tag ethics Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:22:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3E04BB7A@webmail.uic.edu> Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.38] X-Note: Total weight is 0. Whitelisted X-archive-position: 3368 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: raganok@intrex.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Reply-To: raganok@intrex.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out >Loglan is the English word for lojban, just as French is the English word for >la francais In linguistics, the preferred name of a language is the name it calls itself. Thus, I might mention "Mirandés", but I wouldn't call it "Asturian", even in English. We have had contact with the French since long before this custom started, so calling it "Francais" would be out of place. Lojban is a language created *for linguistic research*, so of course the preferred English word for it is "Lojban". "Loglan", according to the courts, is a generic term for a language based on logic. Lojban is a loglan; so is TLI Loglan, as is Guaspi (which should have some random punctuation in the name, but I don't remember what), also Plan B and its parody Plan C. Lojban is not Plan C, but both *officially* fall under the heading of Loglan. However, nobody uses the name "Loglan" except to mean TLI Loglan, which is *not* the same as Lojban. Even you refer to "Loglan", meaning TLI's implementation of JCB's idea, and "Lojban" for LLG's version. >=> using keywords in the meta description tag which is not related to the >page content" >Loglan is certainly "related" to lojban. Some people say lojban *is* Loglan. >(I think they are different words in different languages for the same thing.) You know full well that's not the kind of relationship they mean.