From sbelknap@UIC.EDU Mon Dec 09 17:49:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Dec 2002 01:49:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 81194 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 01:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2002 01:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 01:49:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18LZWF-0004w2-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:49:07 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LZWA-0004vj-00; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:49:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from larch.cc.uic.edu ([128.248.155.164]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LZW4-0004vW-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:48:56 -0800 Received: (qmail 19017 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 01:48:54 -0000 Received: from webmail.cc.uic.edu (HELO webmail.uic.edu) (128.248.121.50) by larch.cc.uic.edu with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 01:48:54 -0000 X-WebMail-UserID: sbelknap@uic.edu Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:48:29 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000146 Subject: [lojban] What is the meaning of Loglan? Message-ID: <3E050E8B@webmail.uic.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 X-archive-position: 3370 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sbelknap@uic.edu Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: sbelknap Reply-To: sbelknap@uic.edu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810567 Loglan is an English language contraction for the phrase "Logical Language." It is a generic term, not limited to the TLI, Jim Carter, or LLG flavor. The *official position* of LLG is that lojban is Loglan! Get over it! I choose to interpret this as meaning that Loglan is the English language word for LLG Loglan. The fact that Loglan may also be used to refer to TLI Loglan or to Jim Carter's Loglan is irrelevant, since these flavors of Loglan are moribund and silly, respectively. The alternative interpretation of official LLG policy-that TLI Loglan does not exist and that the LLG Loglan is the only Loglan-is simply counterfactual. One definition of insanity is "adhering to beliefs that are demonstrably false." Loglan dates back to 1958 or maybe 1955 (reports vary). The grammar of LLG Loglan is only trivially different from that of TLI Loglan. Nearly all the "new" LLG Loglan words have nearly their exact counterpart in TLI Loglan. LLG Loglan is (a) Loglan! Henceforth, I will refer to LLG's flavor of the language as Loglan when writing in English and lojban when writing in lojban. I thank my correspondents for pointing out my previous, erroneous practice. -Steven