From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Dec 09 19:32:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Dec 2002 03:32:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 52531 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 03:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2002 03:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 03:32:16 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Lb84-0007bJ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:32:16 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Lb7x-0007aa-00; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:32:09 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Lb7p-0007Zy-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:32:04 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBA3cGG9044394 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:38:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gBA3cD1p044389 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:38:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:38:11 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: My next suggestion Message-ID: <20021210033811.GA44058@allusion.net> References: <3E053088@webmail.uic.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E053088@webmail.uic.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 3380 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 08:28:27PM -0600, sbelknap wrote: > On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 07:37 PM, Jordan DeLong wrote: > >On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 03:08:33PM -0600, sbelknap wrote: [...] > >>Put Loglan in the content list, and be quick about it! > >=20 > >What a pile of crap. > >=20 > >It's no more appropriate to have meta content on lojban.org for > >Loglan than it is to put klingon or esperanto up there. >=20 > Hmm. I fear that Jordan may disagree with my next suggestion, which is to= =20 > mention Esperanto, klingon, and other popular constructed languages in bo= th=20 > the text and the meta tags of the main LLG Loglan web page. My reasoning: >=20 > 1. The goal of our web page is to help those who might be interested in L= LG=20 > Loglan to find out about our language. Wrong it's not about loglan, it's about lojban. > 2. Many people interested in other conlangs are likely to be interested i= n LLG=20 > Loglan. Wrong, *most* people interested in conlangs are IAL weenies (no offense to any lojbanists who are interested in IALs also). Lojban has consonant clusters which are "hard" and such things which (thankfully) scare them away. > 3. Including meta tags and text for other conlangs will cause LLG Loglan = to=20 > turn up in web searches for other conlangs. Right, but this is not desirable. If I search for "klingon language", I want data about klingon, not lojban. I already know about lojban. I asked for data about klingon. Search engines are *not* a valid place to try to advertise. > 4. There is no downside if we have some content for these conlangs, such = as=20 > word lists which translate selected LLG Loglan words into these other=20 > languages. (First principle of proper keyword selection: there should be= =20 > actual content directly relevant to a keyword at the site.) This whole suggestion is directly opposite that principle. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE99WGjDrrilS51AZ8RAux7AJ9Fz1tCEt+EeU7FECeuhp4/KZzSWQCfWRDG weQiraYtsWABHQ0wlGSxJvM= =WEMk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/--