From sbelknap@UIC.EDU Tue Dec 10 05:44:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Dec 2002 13:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 18919 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 13:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2002 13:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 13:44:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Lkgs-0001ux-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:44:50 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Lkgs-0001ug-00; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:44:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from birch.cc.uic.edu ([128.248.155.162]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Lkgm-0001uP-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:44:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 22309 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 13:44:42 -0000 Received: from cis5044.uicomp.uic.edu (HELO uic.edu) (128.248.250.44) by birch.cc.uic.edu with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 13:44:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:39:58 -0600 Subject: [lojban] Re: tags Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: <20021210034933.GH11342@digitalkingdom.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) X-archive-position: 3393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sbelknap@uic.edu Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Steven Belknap Reply-To: sbelknap@uic.edu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810567 On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 09:49 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 05:45:16PM -0600, sbelknap wrote: >> But Robin has a point: the most important tag is the title tag. The >> most effective strategy would be to change the title tag to something >> like: >> >> Loglan: The Logical Language (lojban lo lojbo bangu) > > Just to be absolutely, explicitely, *painfully* clear what I think of > this idea: > > If the board ever requests that I do this, I will immediately resign as > webmaster. > > -Robin That would be a shame, for Robin has done an excellent job with the web site. Would this be more acceptable to Robin? lojban lo lojbo bangu (Loglan: The Logical Language) I am quite fascinated with the hostility expressed towards TLI Loglan. The original reasons for this hostility are gone. This hostility is now counterproductive. What explains this bizarre xenophobia? What explains the insertion of the phrase "lojban is Loglan" in lojban official policy? (I am aware of the history of this phrase, I am asking whether there is a deeper explanation than the historical animus of that legal battle.) Was this some kind of "language murder"? Is this shared revulsion towards Loglan by so many newbies a solidarity ritual? How very tribal! Can we link it somehow to the upcoming winter solstice? Maybe we should all get tatooed or branded "mi lojbo"! Perhaps the most interesting observations about Loglan will be related to schisms and vestigial primitive thinking rather than to Sapir-Whorf. -Steven