From jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Tue Dec 10 10:45:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimc@math.ucla.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Dec 2002 18:45:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 26799 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 18:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2002 18:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bodhi.math.ucla.edu) (128.97.4.253) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 18:45:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (bodhi.math.ucla.edu [128.97.4.253]) by bodhi.math.ucla.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBAIjUR4012593 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:45:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:45:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: jimc@xena.cft.ca.us To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: html tag ethics In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021210055644.03166600@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Carter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810565 On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Robert LeChevalier wrote: --- snip --- > But the bottom line is that we are trying to cooperate with TLI, not to > undercut them (at this stage, they'll live or die without our help), and > perceptions can be more important than reality. If we start promoting > "Loglan" on our web pages merely in order to get hits from Steven's 500 > looking for Loglan, it LOOKS to everyone else like "hype" and "poaching", > and will be understood by TLI and by most readers as such. It would be > better to negotiate a relationship whereby TLI puts a more prominent link > on their page pointing to ours as another implementation of JCB's ideas > with an active community, and we put a respectful link on our page > acknowledging their site as documenting what we recognize as the > predecessor language to Lojban. This is honest, aboveboard, and > communicates the way the languages relate to each other. > > That is the sort of thing I am trying to do with Bob McIvor (and if he and > Robin want to work out mutually acceptable wording for mutual pointers > along the lines I describe above, I approve) The voice of reason and experience makes progress, at the same time throwing a wet blanket over ... Well, I won't continue the metaphor, but I remember the debate over hexadecimal. I also remember the frenzied squabble between MSN and AOL over instant messenger formats, which obviously ought to be interoperable, but their whole purpose was to poach customers from each other, and they ruined what could have ended up as a benefit to the community. Can this please be the last message about HTML meta keywords? My "D" key is wearing out. I look forward to the text crossreferences on the respective web pages. James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Email: jimc@math.ucla.edu http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key)