From opoudjis@optushome.com.au Wed Dec 11 06:59:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 11 Dec 2002 14:59:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 30239 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 14:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2002 14:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.162) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 14:59:17 -0000 Received: from optushome.com.au (c17180.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.155.40]) by mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBBExFi11285 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:59:15 +1100 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:59:15 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Brochure Aesthetics cont. To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1DC96B22-0D19-11D7-8AA3-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90350612 X-Yahoo-Profile: opoudjis Well, I know both John and And want serifed lojban, but I have to admit, I've grown attached to the kind of look represented by CLL (which I would characterise as 'monospacish', and 'sans-serifish'.) Trebuchet makes much more of a statement that Andale Mono, but it's funky and distinctive. I think I'll exercise my prerogative and stick with it. :-) I don't in principle object to a conventional serifed Lojban font, but the catch is finding someone truly distinctive from body text (Times, maybe Palatino) yet harmonious with it. (And of course, CLL biasses me.) But I will put a sampler up: http://www.opoudjis.net/dist/sampler.pdf . The only viable serifed alternative I see is Didot; and since I hate Computer Modern and its works, I'd rather not go there anyway... Garamond is not really immediately distinct from Times in full width, and is weird IMO in narrow. I was considering Optima for the notes/exercises text, not for Lojban text. I don't think its lowercase is particularly evil at all, but I would hesitate to use it for lojban: no distinctive serifs. (But oh, it's such a lovely font...) Mixing a monospacish and a proportional font in running text is disconcerting; but I really would rather lojban text embedded in English text be in a distinct font. I think we do need the cue, and we shouldn't be overloading Times italic (which already has plenty to do.) In fact, that's why I also use italic Trebuchet, for lojban Grammatical terminology (e.g. "the cmavo ka'e" --- "the" Times Roman, "cmavo" Trebuchet Italic, "ka'e" Trebuchet Roman." The fonts are all either freeware or came with my operating systems (which I assume makes them free game.) They're also all TrueType, since Postscript fonts aren't plentiful any more. If this becomes an issue with POD (I haven't checked recently), I may need to talk to Bob about his store of fonts; I don't want to do so right now, though. -- Dr Nick Nicholas, French & Italian, Uni. Melb. nickn@unimelb.edu.au http://www.opoudjis.net "Must I, then, be the only one to be beheaded now?" "Why, did you want everybody to be beheaded for your consolation?" Epictetus, Discourses 1.1.