From ragnarok@pobox.com Wed Dec 11 13:30:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 11 Dec 2002 21:30:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 95875 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 21:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2002 21:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 21:30:27 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.38] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE783F390104; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:30:32 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Yellow Card to Jordan, And, and Craig Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <24D55650-0D18-11D7-8AA3-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.38] X-Note: Total weight is 0. Whitelisted X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >Craig, you're making your pilgrimage to Logfest soon, aren't you? :-) Hopefully, at some point. But it depends in part on factors out of my control. >from the next village, the entire village does it. (Craig thinks >Adam's dictum that "you don't have a reason to do this" is unnecessary >and divisive. I think Craig is being divisive because he's done a >Thinkit on this theta, and right now he looks to me like a community of >one --- but hey, let's see how he goes at Logfest...) I think that complaining about something the book explicitly mentions as valid is divisive, yes. I have explained that, to my ear (or my toungue, I'm not sure which) [T] is a more contrasting sound than [h]. Since the book lists both, we ought to all understand one another. I fail to see the connection to Thinkit. >And the heavens won't burst if people constrain lojban further than >does the baseline. That means people are trying to tell us something. No, they won't. That, to me, means that one of two things will happen as Lojban matures: 1. Experience will show that [T] is really preferable. 2. Experience will show that it doesn't matter. If 1, [T] will spread beyond me. If 2, then [T] will die when I do (And PC, but he seems to be fairly silent right now).