From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Dec 12 08:44:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 12 Dec 2002 16:44:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 42982 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 16:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2002 16:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 16:44:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18MWRW-0006F8-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:44:10 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18MWRR-0006Ep-00; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:44:05 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18MWRL-0006Eg-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:44:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087EB27838 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:42:42 +0200 (EET) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp31.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.33]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0035828B10 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:07:56 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3DF8A82A.5060907@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:15:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: bridling hostility (was: RE: Re: the ethics of the HTML content meta tag References: <1039702042024396@lycos-europe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 3484 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Turner From: Robin Turner Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out And Rosta wrote: > Jordan: > >I don't think *anyone* has supported your "'Loglan' is the english > >word for 'lojban'" crap (excepting you). > > > >Anyway; if you really want to abuse meta tags so badly, how about > >you put up your own lojban site? No one is stopping you... > > Steven is advocating what he thinks is best for Lojban, and best for > official > LLG policy, not what he thinks is best for him. He is clearly not speaking > out of a yen to abuse meta tags. The list would be a happier place if you > respected that his intentions are honourable, and replied simply that > "your idea has been considered inappropriate for the following reasons... > and this is why it hasn't won support". > > I have a sense that the atmosphere of the list is a little less collegial > than it used to be, and that insults and adhominems are becoming more > common. > It was pretty vituperous about six years ago, if I remember rightly. There were just fewer people around to vituperate, and the vituperations tended to be about more obscure issues. I agree that a little more politeness is in order. Perhaps we could agree that all insulting messages should be posted in Lojban. If nothing else it would be more amusing: le do mamta cu nalrebysmacu .ije le do patfu se steci le panci pei jbari .i mi carna gi'e sputu fo do (sorry, I'm not up to coining a lujvo/fu'ivla for "elderberry" at the moment, nor to rendering "in your general direction") robin.tr