From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Dec 13 18:02:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27324 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:02:03 -0800 Received: from 200.69.2.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Word resolution algorithm so far Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBDE6BA0:01C2A314] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.2.52] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 Lee Daniel Crocker: >But then we couldn't transliterate a Texas accent, where "yu" >is the standard pronunciation of "o", or parts of New York >where "yi" is the local version of "oi". No, but we are not supposed to be able to transliterate every accent of every language into Lojban. Craig: >I pronounce "maiky'elsem" as [majk@helsem] because that's how it was >intended to be said. Similarly, Hawai'ian has [r] and [l] as free >allophones >of /l/, though most people use [l]. Yet in borrowed words, you hear more r >sounds when that fits the original sound, such as [?arani] for /'alani/ >"orange". If that is the case, then /r/ and /l/ are on their way to not being free allophones anymore. I wouldn't expect the various pronunciations of "'" to be realized by the same speaker, and certainly not in fixed selected words. That would make them different phonemes for that speaker, wouldn't it? Jordan DeLong: >Why not "timosis"? s sounds closer to th than t. That's certainly possible. My preference is simply because that's what Spanish would do (compare with Spanish "Timoteo"), but "timosis" works in Lojban too. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus