From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Dec 15 06:22:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 15 Dec 2002 14:22:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 27892 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 14:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2002 14:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 14:22:23 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021215142223.KKPU26808.lakemtao03.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:22:23 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021215091713.0317e550@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:21:11 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla tarmi preti In-Reply-To: <0212142016040K.03697@neofelis> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021214190430.03176d90@pop.east.cox.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20021214190430.03176d90@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 08:16 PM 12/14/02 -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: >Okay, so fu'ivla can have any length of medial consonant clusters, and >{mastststststststaka} is valid. But the specification left out a couple of >rules: > >If removing the initial syllaboid from string S results in a fu'ivla, and = the >initial syllaboid is a cmavo, then S is not a fu'ivla (e.g. {packankua}, >{ickankua}, {raumlongena} are not fu'ivla). > >If, however, removing the initial syllaboid from S results in a >valsrslinku'i, and the initial syllaboid is a cmavo, and S has a consonant >cluster in the first five letters (not counting y'y and ybu), then S is a >valid word: either the syllaboid is CV, in which case S is a lujvo, or the >syllaboid is CVV, CV'V, or all vowels, in which case S is a fu'ivla (e.g. >{eskrima}, {fauspa'i}). If the front falls off a fu'ivla, then it is not a valid fu'ivla. The=20 section I quoted said that >Stage 4 fu'ivla > >require running tests that are not simple to characterize or perform, an= d > >should be made only after deliberation and by someone knowl=ADedgeable a= bout > >all the considerations that apply. CLL doesn't list all the rules and considerations, because then and now, no= =20 one has determined them all, with certainty. We know what CAN'T be a=20 fu'ivla, but only in terms of tests that were never specified. lojbab --=20 lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org