From Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Mon Dec 23 02:39:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 23 Dec 2002 10:39:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 32581 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 10:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2002 10:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 10:39:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18QQ03-00015j-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:39:55 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18QPzc-00015Q-00; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:39:28 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw1.gedas.de ([139.1.44.12] helo=spree.gedas.de) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18QPzD-00015H-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:39:04 -0800 Received: from spree.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22785 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:38:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg (blnsem05.gedas.de [139.1.84.49]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22781 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:38:29 +0100 (MET) Received: by blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:38:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: "'lojban-list@lojban.org'" Subject: [lojban] Re: BPFK: Call for volunteers: discussion Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:38:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 3627 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Newton, Philip" Reply-To: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23036112 X-Yahoo-Profile: elder_newton la nitcion. cu cusku di'e > cu'u la lojbab. > > > Call me ignorant > > Done. :-) Thanks. I'll take that to include me, though I posted before I read lojbab's message. > The entire point of this request is that we have permanent, easily > browsable, pre-threaded archives of hard to follow discussion, > containing hyperlinks and whatever else. I think that's what Usenet can provide. Permant, yes; easily browsable, yes (IMO) -- pick your favourite threaded newsreader; pre-threaded -- I'd say nowadays threading works, oh, 98% of the time; containing hyperlinks -- depends on the newsreader (mine makes hyperlinks clickable). > Usenet [...] certainly won't allow the kind of control I > envisage (this needs to be housed at lojban,org.) Um, you can have a Usenet server housed at lojban.org. There's no need to conduct this over the "big" Usenet -- there are organisations running internal Usenet servers that don't peer with anyone else. The groups can be completely separate. Whoever administers the news server has complete control and can add or delete or even modify messages at will. People would just have to configure their newsreader to pull news from nntp.lojban.org or whatever you want to call it -- even www.lojban.org would work in a pinch since the NNTP port is different from the HTTP one. (You can't prevent anyone from re-injecting the articles to other news servers, as happens for example with the microsoft.* hierarchy which is theoretically available only from Microsoft news servers but _de facto_ available at least read-only from lots of servers world-wide. But I doubt that would happen or that it would be a cause for concern; the Lojban community is much smaller than the Microsoft-using community.) mu'omi'e filip. [email copies appreciated, since I read the digest] {ko fukpi mrilu fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu le notseljmaji} -- filip.niutyn. All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.