From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Jan 01 08:53:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 1 Jan 2003 16:53:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 73438 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 16:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2003 16:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 16:53:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Tm7w-0000E5-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 08:53:56 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Tm7q-0000Dm-00; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 08:53:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 01 Jan 2003 08:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Tm7k-0000DY-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 08:53:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E59D2880F for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:53:09 +0200 (EET) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (neo.fen.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.97.69]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2C0284E9 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:53:08 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E131D28.1040802@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:54:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: I am the man who wrote you a letter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 3677 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: robin From: robin Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Philip Newton wrote: > How to say something like "I am the man who wrote you a letter"? > > Specifically, I'm having trouble with "I am the man who...". {mi > nanmu} means for me "I am *a* man", and anyway, I don't think I can > attach a {poi}-phrase to that. And {mi du le nanmu poi pu te xatra > do} sounds malglico to me. I don't think it's malgilico, because there is a one-to-one correspondence "I am the same as the man who wrote you the letter". I do think it's a little malglico to use {nanmu} if you mean {prenu}, though! ;-) > > I think the problem I have is the verb "to be", which doesn't have a > 1:1 correspondence in Lojban. True: {du} is a bit like an equals sign - the thing on the left is identical to the thing on the right. Really malglico use of {du} would be something like {mi du lo glico} for "I am English". mu'o mi'e solri. -- "Chen Shuo, the time has come for action! My daughter Zia has been stolen by the evil Wolf Jaw school, and they mean to practice their spiritually incorrect and deadly martial arts style on her." - Tad Williams Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin