From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jan 02 09:35:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 2 Jan 2003 17:35:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 5807 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 16:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2003 16:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 16:14:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18U7yx-0001o4-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:14:07 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18U7ye-0001na-00; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:13:48 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18U7yX-0001nO-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:13:41 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AAE2D147; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:13:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp140.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.140]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C412CE8C; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:13:04 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E14591F.7060706@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:22:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org, Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Subject: [lojban] Re: I am the man who wrote you a letter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 3684 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Turner From: Robin Turner Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Newton, Philip wrote: > > Is it possible to put a {pu} in there, like {mi du le pu te xatra be do}? > > > What about indefinite references, though? That is, "I am *a* man who wrote a > letter to you? > > If the sex is not important, only the letter-writing, then {mi pu te xatra > be do} works, but if you want to include "man" then you have to bring the > {poi}-ness in somehow. And then {mi du lo nanmu poi pu te xatra be do} > sounds wrong again -- and {mi nanmu gi'e pu te xatra be do} sounds more like > a {noi} connection than a {poi} one to me. Maybe {mi du pa le ro nanmu poi > pu te xatra be do} or something? Not sure whether {du} is correct in such a > case, since I'm not thinking of one letter-writing man in particular, only > stating that I am one such. > I'd say it was logically the same as {mi nanmu gi'e pu te xatra be do} - "I am a man and I wrote a letter to you." mu'o mi'e solri. -- "Do unto others what you would like others to do unto you. And have fun doing it." - Linus Torvalds Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent University Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin