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Subject: [lojban] Re: open and save
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From: Steven Belknap <sbelknap@UIC.EDU>
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The use of the lojban word <dacru> for a computer file is not malglico. 
The analogy of computer file to a paper file is a language-independent 
extension of the concept of file to cyberspace. <vreji> is not an apt 
lojban word for file. A file *contains* records.

On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 11:53 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 11:36:23PM -0600, sbelknap wrote:
>> open is "get file": cpadacru
>> save is "put file": pujdacru
>
> <despair>
> Nooooooo!
> </despair>
>
> dacru is *not* a file in a computer!
>
> dacru dac drawer
> x1 is a drawer/file in structure x2, a [sliding
> compartment] container for contents x3
>
>
> You want vreji.
>
> -Robin





