From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Jan 07 19:22:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Jan 2003 03:22:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 60913 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 03:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2003 03:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 03:22:05 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18W6n7-0001mr-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:22:05 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18W6mX-0001mF-00; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:21:29 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18W6mR-0001lx-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:21:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h083Ksp70784 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:20:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:20:54 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: open and save In-Reply-To: <20030108023913.GT3954@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <20030107221859.V70740-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3744 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 01:11:41AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > Robin: > > > On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 11:57:21AM -0600, Steven Belknap wrote: > > > And dacru isn't a file in that sense anyways, it's a drawer. A > > > *physical* drawer. A *sliding* *compartment*, for crying out loud > > > > > > > is not an apt lojban word for file. A file *contains* > > > > records > > > > > > Umm, BS. Unless you're defining record as an ASCII character or > > > something, I assure you, the vast majority of my files do not, in > > > fact, contain records. They are records (i.e. permanent-ish > > > storage) of data > > > > I agree in one sense, but from the user's point of view a file does > > feel like a container. > > That's an argument for vasru, *not* dacru as such. We say that the water is contained by a jar because we can easily imagine water that's not contained by a jar. Can we have data "outside" of a file? Does the mere recording of data instantiate a file if we ever hope to find it again? (/dev/null is a distraction that will be ignored.) -- // if (!terrorist) // ignore (); // else collect_data ();