From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Jan 08 06:46:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Jan 2003 14:46:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 96758 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 14:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2003 14:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 14:46:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2003 14:46:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:46:54 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: open and save Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jjllambias2000 " X-Originating-IP: 200.49.74.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la jimc cusku di'e > I can understand Steven's point about "record": in many but far from all > files, the file contains an organized sequence of sub-files, called > "records" in English, each of which give a variety of data about one > subject x3. I looked for good gismu for "stanza" or "segment" (as in a > millipede or annelid worm) but didn't get a good word to make a lujvo > from; pagbu "part" is the best of a bad lot, not implying uniformity of the > segments. Perhaps a generalized {panlo} can serve for uniform segments. > Returning to the original question, I think kargau (kalri gasnu, open) and > ga'ogau (ganlo gasnu, close) are reasonable for use with files and other > containers. However, the definition is "x1 (portal/passage/entrance-way) > is open/closed [not] permitting passage/access to x2 by x3", and you have > to metaphorically stretch a bit to relate this definition to "opening" a > book-type object, which everts the entire content, or even "opening" a wine > bottle (which at least has a definite passageway to the interior, though x3 > does not traverse it). Is x3 the wine or the person who opens the bottle? The wine does traverse the opening. mu'o mi'e xorxes