From phma@webjockey.net Thu Jan 09 04:11:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 9 Jan 2003 12:11:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 79842 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 12:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2003 12:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 12:11:11 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18WbWh-0002Zq-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 04:11:11 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18WbWb-0002ZX-00; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 04:11:05 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 09 Jan 2003 04:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18WbWV-0002Yq-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 04:10:59 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 05A0F8077; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: open and save Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 07:10:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <1042034196.307.2546.m12@yahoogroups.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030108231606.0347ea00@pop.east.cox.net> <3E1D5BBE.5000205@bilkent.edu.tr> In-Reply-To: <3E1D5BBE.5000205@bilkent.edu.tr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200301090710.30659.phma@webjockey.net> X-archive-position: 3765 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Thursday 09 January 2003 06:23, robin wrote: > Do we really want to continue the metaphor? Isn't there something else > which would represent the state of an open file (i.e. that it is > currently being read from / written to)? "Active" springs to mind, > except that unless it's an executable, it's really more passive than > active. There is a file that is open in the operating system sense (a program has a file descriptor which it can use to read or write it) and there is a file that is open in the application sense (the application has a copy of the file in memory for editing). The application may open the file, read it, and close it, and not open it until the user tells it to save it; it's still open as far as the user is concerned. What about all the other words? phma