From Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Fri Jan 17 05:47:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 17 Jan 2003 13:47:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 2711 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 13:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2003 13:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 13:47:13 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18ZWq1-0002YB-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:47:13 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18ZWps-0002Xs-00; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:47:04 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from spree.gedas.de ([139.1.44.12]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18ZWpk-0002XY-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:46:56 -0800 Received: from spree.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04364 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:46:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg (blnsem05.gedas.de [139.1.84.49]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04360 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:46:22 +0100 (MET) Received: by blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:46:22 +0100 Message-ID: To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Some comments on the FAQ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:46:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 3813 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Newton, Philip" Reply-To: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23036112 X-Yahoo-Profile: elder_newton http://www.lojban.org/resources/faq.html T2 claims that {ko bevri re spageti palta} could be mis-heard as {ko bevri respa ge ti palta} -- but that would violate the stress rules of Lojban (not to mention grammar -- can you have {ge} without {gi}?): {ko bevri re spageti palta} has to be {ko BEvri re spaGEti PALta} while {ko bevri respa ge ti palta} has to be either {ko BEvri REspa ge ti PALta} or {ko BEvri REspa GE ti PALta}. Specifically, {respa} has to be pronounced {REspa} but those two syllables may not be stressed like that in the first example since, as I understand it, cmavo before brivla may not be stressed -- {re spageti} can only be {re spaGEti} and not {RE spaGEti} (though it could be {RE. spaGEti}). And vlatai claims that {spageti} is a valid stage-4 fu'ivla (while not recognising {djarspageti} as type-3 lujvo with short rafsi). So I'm not sure that the example is that good. (I don't have a better one, however. {pitsa} would be even worse since it's a valid gismu form. Not sure whether there are any other good "quintessential examples", as the FAQ calls it, of fu'ivla.) T4: "[And Rosta ...] sometimes uses it the hopes" should probably be "sometimes uses it *in* the hopes that ...".