From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Jan 19 08:02:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 19 Jan 2003 16:02:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 9966 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 16:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2003 16:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 16:02:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18aHuN-0008FW-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:02:51 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18aHuI-0008FD-00; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:02:46 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18aHuD-0008F4-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:02:41 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0JGB1fp080604 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:11:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h0JGB1xk080603 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:11:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:11:01 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: loi preti be fi lo nincli zo'u tu'e Message-ID: <20030119161101.GA80469@allusion.net> References: <200301191529.KAA21247@mail2.reutershealth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301191529.KAA21247@mail2.reutershealth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 3832 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 10:16:39AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > Martin Bays scripsit: >=20 > Excellent questions every one! >=20 > > Is a jek-connected tanru like {ricfu je ninmu} still a single selbri? = And > > in that case, what is its place structure, given that {ricfu} and {ninm= u} > > have quite different place structures? >=20 > The place structure is basically that of ninmu, but any sumti appearing > before the selbri are put into the appropriate places of both ricfu and > ninmu. What? No. (Are you confusing "co" conversion with tanru connectives?) > > What's the difference between {LE broda pe BAI LE brode} and {LE broda= be > > BAI LE brode}? >=20 > Little or nothing. Nothing. Except you can use the "pe" one even if you're dealing with a sumti like "la djan.", so it's superior in that respect. [...] > > How to use functions with ranges beyond the numbers? E.g. if I have a > > function f:A->B with A and B sets {fy fancu abu noi selcmi ku'o by noi > > selcmi}, what's f(x)? According to jbofi'e, {ma'o fy boi xy} and {le ma= 'o > > fy boi xy} are both ungrammatical, and does {li ma'o fy boi xy} make > > sense? >=20 > "li" is correct. The gloss "the number" is really too narrow; it should = be > "the mathematical value". >=20 > > Are there exact rules for how overriding components of a pro-bridi wor= ks? > > e.g. in {da zo'u remna .i naku go'i} is the second sentence equivalent = to > > {naku da zo'u remna} or {da zo'u naku remna}? [...] I think the latter. You'd need to say "na go'i" or "naku zo'u go'i" (which are both the same thing) to get the former. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Ks4UDrrilS51AZ8RArjAAKCg7WFckBSVDCFVx42+D2WKSaZ3nQCgiKE9 p55s7O/FGBgK8AoXone2OxM= =PG/w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI--