From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Jan 19 08:44:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 19 Jan 2003 16:44:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 42408 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 16:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2003 16:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 16:44:39 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18aIYp-0008QX-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:44:39 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18aIYf-0008QE-00; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:44:29 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp175.chch.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.237.175] helo=dave ident=0) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18aIYZ-0008Q4-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:44:23 -0800 Received: from dave (IDENT:1001@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dave (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0JGixhf022680 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:45:00 GMT Received: from localhost (martin@localhost) by dave (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) with ESMTP id h0JGix3I022677 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:44:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: dave: martin owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:44:58 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: martin@dave To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: loi preti be fi lo nincli zo'u tu'e In-Reply-To: <200301191529.KAA21247@mail2.reutershealth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3836 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mbaysATfreeshellDOTorg@flibble.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Martin Bays From: Martin Bays Reply-To: mbaysATfreeshellDOTorg@flibble.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Thanks muchly for your speedy and informative reply. In fact, thanks muchly for all your replies. All very cool. Some follow-up questions - On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, John Cowan wrote: > Martin Bays scripsit: > li'o > > Does {ze'e ro roi ku ganai broda gi brode} mean "for each point of time, > > if broda then brode" or "if (broda over the whole of time) then (brode > > over the whole of time)? > > This question is fit for the jboske list; I certainly don't know the answer. About jboske - is there a mailing list version, as with this list? I tried looking at it once, but the Yahoo interface peeved me too much for me to stay long. li'o > > > What happens when more than one modal place is filled in a bridi? E.g. if > > {broda cau ko'a secau ko'e}, is it true that {ko'a caxlu ko'e} or just > > that {ge ko'a caxlu zo'e gi zo'e caxlu ko'e}? Similarly, is {broda cau > > ko'a cau ko'e} legit, and does it mean the same as {broda cau ko'a .e > > ko'e}? > > To the second point, yes; that is how filling any place multiple times works. > (Technically, the implied connective is jo'u, but we have not really > figured out under what circumstances jo'u differs from .e). I'd kind of assumed the difference was that jo'u assumed the same values for unfilled sumti places, while .e doesn't. So {ko'a .e ko'e ganse} means they both sense things, but possibly not the same thing, whereas {ko'a jo'u ko'e ganse} means they sense the same property via the same means under the same conditions. Is that much true? Is there more to it?