From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Mon Jan 20 10:57:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 20 Jan 2003 18:57:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 62046 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 18:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2003 18:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.111) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 18:57:51 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-58-177.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.58.177]) by lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8D21E7AA for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:57:49 +0100 (MET) To: "Lojban List" Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: loi preti be fi lo nincli zo'u tu'e Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:57:49 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <200301201809.NAA27443@mail2.reutershealth.com> From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin John: > Martin Bays scripsit: > > I'd kind of assumed the difference was that jo'u assumed the same values > > for unfilled sumti places, while .e doesn't. So {ko'a .e ko'e ganse} means > > they both sense things, but possibly not the same thing, whereas {ko'a > > jo'u ko'e ganse} means they sense the same property via the same means > > under the same conditions > > Another fine jboske issue I think we have a ready answer to this one. {fe da fa ko'a e ko'e ganse} means they sense the same thing, but {ko'a e ko'e ganse da} doesn't. That much is uncontroversial. {jo'u} isn't settled, but afaik the arguments would all point to word order not making a difference and jo'u entailing that ko'a and ko'e sense the same thing. But yes, further discussion of unsettled issues would go Jboske. --And.