From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Jan 21 16:41:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 22 Jan 2003 00:41:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 56611 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 00:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2003 00:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030122004135.PGUI6744.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:41:35 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030121193552.033804b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:42:04 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] ta'o In-Reply-To: <1cf.600357.2b5e7bbf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 05:32 AM 1/21/03 -0500, BestATN@aol.com wrote: >i don't believe that > >'ta'o UI3 by the way discursive: by the way - returning to main >point; (cf. denpa, cneterta'a) ' > >has to be built on a metaphor. let its literal meaning be simply >"resuming the main point". ta'o is "by the way" (or "DEVIATING from the main point") ta'onai is "resuming the main point" There are any number of metaphors that could have been used to suggest the cmavo, but none would have been especially good lojbanically - the discursive function represented by ta'o should be a lujvo (something like "touching-topic" or "topic-leaving"; "intersecting" is at least as good a metaphor as tangential for what is going on conversationally) lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org