From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Jan 26 09:20:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 26 Jan 2003 17:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 17737 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 17:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2003 17:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 17:20:00 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030126172000.ZNOI8666.lakemtao03.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:20:00 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030126120039.034cb140@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:20:03 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] .i'a question In-Reply-To: <20030126011318.730a584b.rizen@surreality.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 01:13 AM 1/26/03 -0800, Theodore Reed wrote: ><0880.0002>>[lojban] .i'a question.ems For many of the attitudes we really had only a clear concept of one end of the range, since there seemed to be no unambiguous meaning for the other If I understand the question: .i'a "acceptance" was intended by me to be understood as "nonblame"/"refusal to blame" sort of acceptance (in English we would probably explicitly deny blame "No, I don't blame you"; with "i'acu'i being some sort of "tolerance"/"ambivalance as to blame" .i'ecu'i is a different sort of "acceptance". I get book orders mailed late, but have a valid excuse. One could react to this with disapproval and nonblame (acceptance). I get this a lot. I get a speeding ticket driving someone to the hospital; the police officer understands but can't let me off because what I did was too reckless. This seems to me to be nonapproval (acceptance) and blame. I think the nonblame acceptance and disapproval comes up a lot with kids, and people deemed not in control of their situations. Nonapproval blame tends to be a reaction more to adults making good decisions with bad consequences that affect us personally. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org