From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Thu Jan 30 04:29:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 30 Jan 2003 12:29:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 2870 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2003 12:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2003 12:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2003 12:29:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18eDp6-0000aY-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:29:40 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18eDoy-0000aE-00; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:29:32 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from com1.uclan.ac.uk ([193.61.255.3]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18eDos-0000a5-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:29:26 -0800 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:53:59 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:31:43 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:31:30 +0000 To: lojban-list Subject: [lojban] Re: loi preti be fi lo nincli zo'u tu'e Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 3956 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: And Rosta Reply-To: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Pierre: On Thursday 30 January 2003 06:57, And Rosta wrote: #> Pierre: #> #> The rule applied in Academic Lojban is that DA is bound in the localmost #> #> bridi it occurs in, and the binding lasts for as long as the bridi does. #> #> For DA [to] stay bound across sentence boundaries requires use of tu'e. #> # #> #The bridi, or the jufra? #> #> The binding lasts as long as the (logical) bridi does. Implicitly or #> explicitly connected jufra jointly form a logical bridi. # #I thought that a jufra is composed of 0 or more bridi. For example: #{.uiro'o} is one jufra with zero bridi. #(le mlatu cu bunra} is one jufra with one bridi. #{ro da se risna .ijo da se livga} is one jufra with two bridi. #{mi klama le zarci .i mi rinsa le pendo} is two jufra with two bridi. #Whether two bridi connected by {.iku'i} or {.ibo} are separate jufra is iffy. By "jufra" I meant "things separated by {i}", which may be an incorrect definition. By 'logical bridi' I mean "a proposition/predication/thing-that- has-a-truthvalue expressed by a Lojban bridi or by a logically connected set of Lojban bridi". Lojban metalanguage is always confusing, but one would have to get really anal to deconfuse it. --And. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/