From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Feb 06 00:08:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 6 Feb 2003 08:08:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 90558 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2003 08:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2003 08:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2003 08:08:48 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gh5U-0003No-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:08:48 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18gh5K-0003NV-00; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:08:38 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18gh5A-0003NG-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:08:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D663221A for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:07:50 +0200 (EET) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (neo.fen.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.97.69]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC36321F7 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:07:49 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E4216B4.1070308@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:03:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Language Names, please. References: <20030205220821.GJ13069@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 4020 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: robin From: robin Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Robin Lee Powell wrote: >Need to fill in the names for these languages in lojban for jbovlaste: > >bg - Bulgarian - Български >sk - Slovak - Slovencina >sl - Slovenian - Slovenscina >vi - Vietnamese - Tiêng Viêt >et - Estonian - Eesti >gl - Galician - Galego >uk - Ukrainian - Укранська - vukro >am - Amharic - አማርኛ >cy - Welsh - Cymraeg - kimro >ga - Irish - Gaeilge - gailge >ia - Interlingua - Interlingua >wa - Walloon - Walon > >Values in the 4th column are those languages that I've found names for, >mostly from http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/Names%20of%20Languages > >Feel free to comment on those names. > >-Robin > > > Turkish Person/culture - Tu[umlaut]rk Country - Tu[umlaut]rkiye (plus a lot of others like Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan etc.) Language - Tu[umlaut]rkc[cedilla]e (Sorry about the clumsy orthography, but some people can only get asccii, I guess). We had some discussion a while back on how to lojbanise these, focussed mainly on how the u-umlaut should be rendered. Phonetically, the closest equivalent is "i", but I prefer "u" as it's more familiar orthographically, and, IIRC, in some Turkic languages there is no umlaut anyway, not to mention the fact that just about every other rendering of "Turk" into some other language loses the umlaut. So we get bangrturku, kulnrturku etc. robin.tr -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin