From phma@webjockey.net Thu Feb 06 03:28:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 6 Feb 2003 11:28:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 93458 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2003 11:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2003 11:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2003 11:28:37 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gkCr-0005ci-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 03:28:37 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18gkCm-0005cM-00; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 03:28:32 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Feb 2003 03:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18gkCg-0005bz-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 03:28:26 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BEE922771; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Language Names, please. Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:28:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030205220821.GJ13069@digitalkingdom.org> <3E4216B4.1070308@bilkent.edu.tr> In-Reply-To: <3E4216B4.1070308@bilkent.edu.tr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302060628.02611.phma@webjockey.net> X-archive-position: 4024 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Thursday 06 February 2003 03:03, robin wrote: > Turkish > Person/culture - Tu[umlaut]rk > Country - Tu[umlaut]rkiye (plus a lot of others like Azerbaijan, > Turkmenistan etc.) > Language - Tu[umlaut]rkc[cedilla]e > > (Sorry about the clumsy orthography, but some people can only get > asccii, I guess). > > We had some discussion a while back on how to lojbanise these, focussed > mainly on how the u-umlaut should be rendered. Phonetically, the > closest equivalent is "i", but I prefer "u" as it's more familiar > orthographically, and, IIRC, in some Turkic languages there is no umlaut > anyway, not to mention the fact that just about every other rendering of > "Turk" into some other language loses the umlaut. > > So we get bangrturku, kulnrturku etc. I think it should be {tirkce}. Or maybe {turkce}. German keeps the umlaut. French doesn't, but 'u' is pronounced like German 'ü'. phma