From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Feb 08 01:55:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 8 Feb 2003 09:55:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 37784 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2003 09:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2003 09:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2003 09:55:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18hRhi-0005qx-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 01:55:22 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hRhe-0005qe-00; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 01:55:18 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Feb 2003 01:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp211.chch.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.237.211] helo=thedave ident=0) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hRhX-0005qP-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 01:55:12 -0800 Received: from thedave.homelinux.org (IDENT:1001@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thedave (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h189tibE002804 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:55:44 GMT Received: from localhost (martin@localhost) by thedave.homelinux.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) with ESMTP id h189tiQP002801 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:55:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: thedave.homelinux.org: martin owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:55:44 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: martin@thedave.homelinux.org To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: sumtcita needed, badly. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mbays@sdf.lonestar.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Martin Bays From: Martin Bays Reply-To: mbays@sdf.lonestar.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Martin Bays wrote: > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > I can't even count the number of times in conversational lojban that > > I've wanted a sumtcita for *any* word that has a 'topic' or 'subject of > > discussion' sort of place. > > > > It's also pretty sad that there's no analogue to cusku with a subject > > place i.e. expression on a topic. cusku requires actual *text* in the > > second place, which just blows my mind; I can't think of any reason for > > that. > > > > cusku can also take a sedu'u abstraction, so couldn't you use {jai se > cu'u} (or maybe {se jai cu'u} - I can never remember which order the FA > operators act in)? No, wait a minute, that doesn't work at all. Sorry. Please ignore me. --- .i mi mi'e maten. mo'u mrilu mulno mu'o