From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Feb 08 02:44:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 8 Feb 2003 10:44:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6283 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2003 10:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2003 10:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2003 10:44:26 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18hST6-0007N5-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 02:44:21 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hSR8-0007MM-00; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 02:42:18 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Feb 2003 02:42:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18hSQB-0007KQ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 02:41:19 -0800 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 02:41:19 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: sumtcita needed, badly. Message-ID: <20030208104118.GC16074@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20030208083222.GB16074@digitalkingdom.org> <20030208094603.GB31713@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030208094603.GB31713@mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 4062 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 04:46:03AM -0500, Rob Speer wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:32:22AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I can't even count the number of times in conversational lojban that > > I've wanted a sumtcita for *any* word that has a 'topic' or 'subject of > > discussion' sort of place. > > > > It's also pretty sad that there's no analogue to cusku with a subject > > place i.e. expression on a topic. cusku requires actual *text* in the > > second place, which just blows my mind; I can't think of any reason for > > that. > > Um, {tavla}? > > x1 talks/speaks to x2 __about subject x3__ in language x4 > > So the places are in a different order; that shouldn't matter, though. I thought tavla was for out-loud spoken expression only. It seems I was wrong. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi