From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Feb 08 06:32:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 8 Feb 2003 14:32:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 62975 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2003 14:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2003 14:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2003 14:32:40 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18hW23-0000t0-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 06:32:39 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hW1r-0000sF-00; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 06:32:27 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Feb 2003 06:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18hW1b-0000rl-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 06:32:11 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h18Edc0h000160 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 08:39:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h18EdZZC000157 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 08:39:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 08:39:35 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: sumtcita needed, badly. Message-ID: <20030208143935.GA99931@allusion.net> References: <20030208083222.GB16074@digitalkingdom.org> <20030208105312.GD16074@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030208105312.GD16074@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 4064 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:53:13AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 09:50:44AM +0000, Martin Bays wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >=20 > > > I can't even count the number of times in conversational lojban that > > > I've wanted a sumtcita for *any* word that has a 'topic' or 'subject > > > of discussion' sort of place. > > > > > > It's also pretty sad that there's no analogue to cusku with a > > > subject place i.e. expression on a topic. cusku requires actual > > > *text* in the second place, which just blows my mind; I can't think > > > of any reason for that. > > > > >=20 > > cusku can also take a sedu'u abstraction, >=20 > I've *never* understood sedu'u, but I *think* it wants literal text. sedu'u is how you use it without literal text. You can also use lu'elu ... li'u. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+RRanDrrilS51AZ8RAleDAKDSwJSGqtT8/wptvgbrxcjwjoz+ogCeJ8Bs HVkNnTDVtPZmCsVCEQhXpmU= =3oh8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu--