From xod@thestonecutters.net Wed Feb 26 08:09:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 26 Feb 2003 16:09:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 80709 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2003 16:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2003 16:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2003 16:09:11 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18o47K-0007V9-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:09:10 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o46t-0007Rw-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:08:44 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18o45z-0007Hw-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:07:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1QG7mS54235 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:07:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:07:48 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Epiphany In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030226105440.O53713-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple Welcome. Yes, the semantic web languages map very nicely onto Lojban. An RDF triple is a 2-place brivla! Lojban seems to me like an excellent Semantic Web language. RDF is a language for writing {subject, predicate, object} triples. N3 is one notation for RDF; the others are sketched graphs, and XML. DAML+OIL is an ontology language, based on RDF, which offers simple concepts like "equals" and "subset". Ontologies are created using DAML+OIL. These are vocabularies of related concepts, such as one for soccer games, weather, music, or space shuttle missions. (take a look http://www.daml.org/ontologies/keyword.html) I don't hold your confusion against you; the Semantic Web documentation is TERRIBLE!!! >>From time to time I try to stir interest in these issues on this list, but nobody bites. Possible projects include trying the reverse germination and writing a document about Lojban for Semantic Web dudes, or starting on a DAML+OIL representation of a few Lojban gismu. On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, skorgu wrote: > Hi, you don't know me and this is only peripherally, but keep reading > anyway. My name is Patrick and I'm a newcomer to lojban. As such, I > really don't have a comprehensive grasp of the language but I think I > understand most of the fundamental concepts of the language. What > excites me most about it is the ability to unambiguously state > relationships and the implications of those relationships. > > Clearly this is important in conversation, but it is even more > important in relating to computers. Bear with me, I know this has > been said but its going somewhere. > > Basically, while I was browsing around randomly, I stumbled across > something called DAML+OIL which is essentially an effort to create a > gigantic relationship-table. Using it you can recreate some or all of > the possible relationships in the human experience. Already I was > thinking of its application to lojban, after all what better way to > bridge the human computer gap than if both sides are unambiguous. > > Then I read about N3. N3 is an alternative formulation of DAML+OIL, > and six lines into the introduction to it > (http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/Primer.html) my jaw fell clean out of > my skull. The formulation is identical to lojban, if its grammar is > simplified. It uses selbri and sumti, and just calls bridi triplets. > I highly suggest that anyone interested in machine-human interfaces > read the DAML+OIL documents > (http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/hendler/sciam/walkthru.html) and > especially the N3 pages. > > This is very exciting to me. I can clearly envision a simple > correspondance table linking various DAML identities to their lojban > counterparts. In short, I think this is how true human computer > interfaces could be designed. Why bother parsing a natural language > and guessing when you can be precise? > > I hope someone reads this and can take the next step: fiddling with > the DAML/N3 namespaces and seeing how close they really are to lojban, > then making the two talk (so much easier said than done) > > --Patrick > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- Seventy-two city councils, including Philadelphia, Austin, Chicago, Baltimore and Cleveland have passed anti-war resolutions.