From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Feb 26 19:00:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 27 Feb 2003 03:00:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 37396 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2003 03:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2003 03:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2003 03:00:04 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18oEHD-0001cy-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:00:03 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oEH8-0001cX-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:59:58 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.ccil.org ([192.190.237.100] ident=mail) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oEH2-0001cJ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:59:52 -0800 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18oEH1-0001Q7-00; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:59:51 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Nick will be with you shortly In-Reply-To: <20030226235244.GA22288@allusion.net> from Jordan DeLong at "Feb 26, 2003 05:52:44 pm" To: fracture@allusion.net Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:59:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: X-archive-position: 4189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Reply-To: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Jordan DeLong scripsit: > > > There is no problem with loi. > > > > Since more than one competent lojbanist disagrees with you, you are > > prima facia wrong, even if all your points are correct. > > Huh? This is a fallacy (argumentum ad populum). Statements have > a particular truth value regardless of what we believe about them. Unless the statements are about beliefs, as this one is. You said in effect that the use of "loi" was uncontroversial; since other people say it is controversial, it *is* controversial. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the language that they learned of elves in the days when all the world was wonderful. --_The Hobbit_