From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Feb 27 12:24:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 27 Feb 2003 20:24:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 41008 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2003 20:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2003 20:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2003 20:24:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18oUa2-0002hD-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:24:34 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oUZr-0002gt-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:24:23 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oUZk-0002gk-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:24:16 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1RKUkbE006423 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:30:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1RKUkNC006422 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:30:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:30:46 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) Message-ID: <20030227203046.GB6354@allusion.net> References: <20030227145641.F95554-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030227145641.F95554-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 4196 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:03:21PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Nick Nicholas wrote: > > The Any problem (how to say Any shark as distinct from A shark in the > > completely general case) admits of several solutions, none perfect, > > although we're now putting more thought into it; when we go into > > non-existing entities, we add something like {tu'o lo se ka co'e} or > > something (to be thrashed out), as distinct from {lo co'e} (which > > commits to existence of the referent; And, this was the coup John and I > > pulled on you in NYC.) >=20 > If you're not worried about stating the existence of the thing, lo is jus= t > fine for "any". This is true in the cases of doctors and boxes. If you > slaughter all doctors and crush all boxes, you win, I'm wrong. I suppose [...] But "mi djica lo mikce" is true under different circumstances than "mi djica mikce". It's clearer if you translate to english; the first: There is a doctor (some doctors) that I need. The second: I need any doctor(s). --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+XnV2DrrilS51AZ8RAuRTAJ9HmiGmqMjerqlb3cXTKlKMeEYBKQCfZcYn jXj5xl1nhH20xV+dhhrrg5A= =SPjo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi--