From xod@thestonecutters.net Thu Feb 27 12:29:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 27 Feb 2003 20:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 49870 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2003 20:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2003 20:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2003 20:29:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18oUfD-0002ix-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:29:55 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oUf5-0002ie-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:29:47 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oUez-0002iU-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:29:41 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1RKTgZ96424 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:29:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:29:42 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) In-Reply-To: <20030227203046.GB6354@allusion.net> Message-ID: <20030227152733.C95554-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:03:21PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Nick Nicholas wrote: > > > The Any problem (how to say Any shark as distinct from A shark in the > > > completely general case) admits of several solutions, none perfect, > > > although we're now putting more thought into it; when we go into > > > non-existing entities, we add something like {tu'o lo se ka co'e} or > > > something (to be thrashed out), as distinct from {lo co'e} (which > > > commits to existence of the referent; And, this was the coup John and I > > > pulled on you in NYC.) > > > > If you're not worried about stating the existence of the thing, lo is just > > fine for "any". This is true in the cases of doctors and boxes. If you > > slaughter all doctors and crush all boxes, you win, I'm wrong. I suppose > [...] > > But "mi djica lo mikce" is true under different circumstances than > "mi djica mikce". It's clearer if you translate to english; > the first: There is a doctor (some doctors) that I need. But since you do not have a particular doctor in mind (since you used lo and not le!) then any doctor will do. At least, you asked for any doctor. Altering the claim later, by rejecting a provided doctor, is a re-statement of the issue and not my problem. -- What would Jesus bomb?