From phma@webjockey.net Thu Feb 27 14:45:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 27 Feb 2003 22:45:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 89661 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2003 22:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2003 22:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2003 22:45:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18oWmk-0003fk-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:45:50 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oWmc-0003fP-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:45:42 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from p3ee2bf3b.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.226.191.59] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oWmV-0003fG-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:45:35 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 91CD04671; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:45:50 +0100 (MET) Organization: dis To: Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:45:50 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302272345.50143.phma@webjockey.net> X-archive-position: 4201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Thursday 27 February 2003 22:51, Craig wrote: > Certainly. However, "mi djica le mikce" means the same thing. The only > difference is that lo mikce must have an md, le mikce could be anyone I > want to call a doctor. Lo and le do not mark for definition. The definition of "mikce" says nothing about MDs. To be lo mikce, one has to treat some patient for some illness using some treatment. "le" does mark for definiteness; the speaker has someone in mind (but does not necessarily expect the hearer to know who it is) who may not exactly be a doctor. phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.