From phma@webjockey.net Thu Feb 27 17:54:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 28 Feb 2003 01:53:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 96335 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2003 01:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2003 01:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2003 01:53:37 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18oZiS-0004bQ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:53:36 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oZiG-0004b7-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:53:24 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from p3ee2cf89.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.226.207.137] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oZiA-0004ay-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:53:18 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9D93246C9; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:53:20 +0100 (MET) Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:53:20 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200302272338.28613.phma@webjockey.net> <20030228011506.GA7457@allusion.net> In-Reply-To: <20030228011506.GA7457@allusion.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302280253.20163.phma@webjockey.net> X-archive-position: 4203 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Friday 28 February 2003 02:15, Jordan DeLong wrote: > That was xod's argument. "lo da'icu'i mikce", etc. > > However this still doesn't solve the problem. "lo mikce" has to > be the same as "da poi mikce". "I need some doctor" or "There is > a doctor that I need". It cannot do "I need any doctor". Okay. Let's expand it: mi nitcu tu'a lo mikce = mi nitcu lo su'u co'e lo mikce = mi nitcu lo su'u da poi mikce zo'u co'e da which might be specifically mi nitcu lo nu da poi mikce zo'u mi se mikce da which is not the same as da poi mikce zo'u mi nitcu lo nu mi se mikce da. The first is "I need that there be a doctor that treats me"; the second is "There is a doctor that I need to treat me". phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.