From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Feb 27 19:19:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 28 Feb 2003 03:19:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 54083 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2003 03:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2003 03:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2003 03:19:23 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ob3T-0005Gx-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:19:23 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ob3L-0005Ge-00; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:19:15 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ob3D-0005GV-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:19:07 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1S3PbbE027094 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:25:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1S3Pa3C027093 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:25:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:25:36 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) Message-ID: <20030228032536.GA27053@allusion.net> References: <20030228023314.GA26219@allusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 4211 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:39:07PM -0500, Craig wrote: [...] > >> mi nitcu da. Let's start with that. Do you at least agree that there i= sn't a > >> specific thing which I mean that I need? > >> Okay, good. Now onto da poi mikce. That means that the da must be a do= ctor, > >> but ads no further restrictions. > >> Now onto lo. mi nitcu lo mikce =3D mi nitcu da poi mikce. We already a= greed on > >> that one. > >> Therefore, I am expressing Any with this usage. QED. >=20 > >No. What follows is that "there isn't a specific thing you need" > >with that usage. That doesn't make it Any. >=20 > If "mi nitcu lo mikce" means that I need a doctor, but that there is no > specific doctor that I need, then I need any doctor. If that's not what A= ny > means to you, then perhaps you could define it for us to better demonstra= te > what your problem is. If la bab. nitcu la djan. and la djan. mikce then one can infer that la bab. nitcu lo mikce But you can't infer la bab. nitcu mikce (something like la bab. nitcu ledu'u da mikce vo'a, except that you can't do that). This should show that they're different (provided you agree with it). Someone like And or Nick or Xorxes is more likely to be able to give a better definition of Any than I, but if you don't buy the above I can try. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+XtawDrrilS51AZ8RAj2/AJ9qcFoHLbemVx84wEEKtY9G8+WAaQCgqCPs ZD2OJJ82l/TiCtVndsYwgo0= =EZm9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF--