From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Feb 28 07:23:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 28 Feb 2003 15:23:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 40116 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2003 15:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2003 15:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2003 15:23:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18omMa-0007Am-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:23:52 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18omMO-00079l-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:23:41 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18omM7-00078i-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:23:23 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1SFTubE030195; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:29:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h1SFTuTw030194; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:29:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:29:56 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Cc: mbays@freeshell.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) Message-ID: <20030228152956.GA29952@allusion.net> References: <200302281514.KAA11810@mail.reutershealth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302281514.KAA11810@mail.reutershealth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 4218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 10:17:24AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > Martin Bays scripsit: > > Oh dear. If I've understood your meaning of "any" correctly - you need = a > > doctor, and what's more you need a doctor precisely because of its > > doctorishness, and don't care about specific identity or other properti= es > > - then this is precisely the kind of circumstance in which I'd use lo'e= . > > I need "the typical" doctor - I need "the result of squinting over the = set > > of all things which doctor". > >=20 > > I'm guessing that's wrong. Anyone feel like explaining why? >=20 > Because "lo'e mikce" is an abstraction bearing only the typical features = of > doctors. As Woldy says, the typical lion is neither male nor female, tho= ugh > all actual lions are one or the other. If you want lo'e mikce, you will = not > get much doctoring from it. He's talking about the myopic singularization definition for lo'e (which probably doesn't really fit with the book's definition). I think the experimental cmavo is loi'e, and it would probably work... Then again, so does mi nitcu tu'a lo mikce. I think lojban needs a zo'e for gadri. It'll make this stuff a lot simpler. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+X4BzDrrilS51AZ8RAhtDAKCK9hImPB0wH5BO4RItCAy5CtNssgCfbOvF Zv3PDHWZrm8nkft+7qN6RV0= =QiGq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q--