From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Feb 28 07:39:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 28 Feb 2003 15:39:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 38024 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2003 15:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2003 15:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2003 15:39:05 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ombJ-000816-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:39:05 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18omb2-0007zy-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:38:48 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhc27.chch.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.237.27] helo=thedave ident=0) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18omai-0007yq-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:38:29 -0800 Received: from thedave.homelinux.org (IDENT:1001@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thedave (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h1SFd3K7006092 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:39:03 GMT Received: from localhost (martin@localhost) by thedave.homelinux.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) with ESMTP id h1SFd2AC006089 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:39:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: thedave.homelinux.org: martin owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:39:02 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: martin@thedave.homelinux.org To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) In-Reply-To: <200302281514.KAA11810@mail.reutershealth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mbays@freeshell.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Martin Bays From: Martin Bays Reply-To: mbays@freeshell.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, John Cowan wrote: > Martin Bays scripsit: > > > Oh dear. If I've understood your meaning of "any" correctly - you need a > > doctor, and what's more you need a doctor precisely because of its > > doctorishness, and don't care about specific identity or other properties > > - then this is precisely the kind of circumstance in which I'd use lo'e. > > I need "the typical" doctor - I need "the result of squinting over the set > > of all things which doctor". > > > > I'm guessing that's wrong. Anyone feel like explaining why? > > Because "lo'e mikce" is an abstraction bearing only the typical features of > doctors. As Woldy says, the typical lion is neither male nor female, though > all actual lions are one or the other. If you want lo'e mikce, you will not > get much doctoring from it. > > "...So the typical lion has no particular sex, but does have a color (golden brown), a residence (Africa), a diet (game), and so on." Then surely lo'e mikce has no particular sex - which is fine, we don't care about the sex - but does have an occupation (medicine), and does have a relevant ability (that of healing you) - which is precisely what you *do* care about. --- #^t'm::>#shs>:#,_$1+9j9"^>h>" < v :>8*0\j" o'u" v" e'i" v".neta"^q> ;z,[; > > ^