From ragnarok@pobox.com Fri Feb 28 20:02:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 1 Mar 2003 04:02:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 49374 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2003 04:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2003 04:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2003 04:02:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18oyCF-0002oJ-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:01:59 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oyBn-0002nn-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:01:31 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18oyBH-0002me-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:00:59 -0800 Received: from craig [209.42.200.67] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id A05DBEC02A4; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:00:29 -0500 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:00:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030301033413.GC7560@digitalkingdom.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.67] X-archive-position: 4254 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Craig" Reply-To: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >> >Note, however, that the original discussion was about nitcu, with the >> >x3 unspecified. That makes *all* the difference to me. >> >> Therefore the scope of da is limited to the mikce that are acceptable >> with your ternitcu. However, you do not explain why the unspecified >> ternitcu makes the difference from 'any doctor' to 'the doctor I have >> in mind'. >Actually, I have. Several times. >What if the unspecified ternitcu is "le nu cikre le mi besna"? "Any >doctor" is most likely *not* a brain surgeon. The scope of your da is qualified by the (unspecified) ternitcu. But it doesn't have to be Dr. Besn if all you need is a brain surgeon. It could be any brain surgeon. As Xod (IIRC) says, it is Any that passes a ridiculousness filter. Just as a dead doctor fails this test, so does a veterinarian if you need a brain surgery performed.